Archive 1: 2012-2016

Sasha Laghonh: Hi Robert, thank you for having me.

Robert Plank: Can you tell me about what it is that you do, what makes you special?

Sasha Laghonh: What makes me special? Well, I have two parallel career paths. My initial career path has to do with business, I have a Bachelors from Austen University with business and also an MBA in Global Management. I started out along my corporate career path where I do a lot of business development and research in the market. That is how I work corporate contracts, helping out executives streamline their business plans and help them with their corporate strategy. On the other side, I also initially started out Sasha Talks where I was selling special counselling services. You're doing the readings and it's more metaphysical work and then a common person would say, well those two interests are really polarizing, because one is really rational and judgmental and the other one is really fluid and it cannot be measured. It got to the point where Sasha Talks started growing at a faster rate than I had anticipated, that I had merged my business consulting businesses onto Sasha Talks, so I could standardize the audience and I wouldn't be chasing two different worlds at the same time.

Robert Plank: Okay, so how did any of this come to be? I know you said that you have this business background and you have this website. How did you get your counselling clients and things like that?

Sasha Laghonh: Sasha Talks was already a part of our ID in theory by the time 2008 came along. When the economy started going down, a lot of my corporate opportunities started getting down sized because of budgets. I told myself, what are some skill sets that I haven't fully capitalized upon. That's when Sasha Talks was launched and I went out, I was doing radio shows, pod casting and at the same time, I was employed by third party websites where you get to defend your services. Whether people are paying you by the minute or buying small packages to talk to you on the phone, or for online chat. At that time I was pressed in between 5 consistent platforms, which are websites owned by private owners. That was providing a form of income, but it got to a point where I said that, if I am going to be helping other people off of third party website, why can I not do that through my own.

At that time I slowly started marketing Sasha Talks and it picked up momentum through Blog Talk radio, BBS radio and basically building a lot of speaking engagements where you're marketing yourself out there. You're giving people samples of your work. You don't have to work for free, but you also have to encourage people to invest their resources in you. Slowly that picked up momentum and I've gotten this far because of word of mouth. The best compliment you can get is a referral. If people have tried you out and they've paid you for your service, they'll share the good news with other people, but if you have bad news, it will travel faster. You have to be mindful of what type of publicity are you attracting. Even though you cannot control the perception of the audience, at the end of the day keep at it and be consistent in what you're offering.

Robert Plank: Okay. That makes a lot of sense. I like a couple of things about that. I like that, first of all, when you saw the economic downturn and you saw people getting down sized, you said, well I have the skill, you're a good speaker or you can feel out someone's business. Now I'm going to change things up a little bit so that now I can replace these business clients that I'm using. The other thing that I like too, is your use of these third party websites. You said, word of mouth and then get traffic from having a Blog Talk radio show. Is there anything else that you look for as far as the traffic you send to your website?

Sasha Laghonh: Other than that, also when I ran Sasha Talks, I think Sasha Talks is composed of three different blogs up to date. The latest blog highlights all of the guests that I host on the platform. Initially the blog had to do with love and relationships because for some reason, a lot of women and men, men usually don't talk about it out loud, have this interest in exploring their love lives and they want to have that looked into. It's usually love and relationships, career and sometimes they want to know a little bit about their life path. Exploring about what goes on within themselves when it comes to the social services. Of course there is a grey area, because those readings fall under the entertainment realm. I'm not delivering a science, it's not a formula, there's so many different spiritualists out there that focus on different types of services, so I have to make that clear. Around the business aspect of it, before I started doing professional coaching, I was doing academic coaching. It gave me an opportunity to slowly merge different types of coaching that I'm doing and complement that with Sasha Talks. It's not completely entertainment, it's an entertainment platform, but it's also a very hands on practical tool that people could apply in their lives if they choose to.

Robert Plank: That sounds pretty cool and that sounds like something that can help a lot of people. Can you kind of walk us through, say someone, they hear about you from some other website or word of mouth and they say, okay, I want to hire Sasha to figure out my career path or something. What's the process someone goes through once they hear from you, they go to the website, what are the steps they take?

Sasha Laghonh: If they've gotten the contact tapes, there's a drop down for requesting a certain type of service and I will follow up with them, usually they hear back from me within 2 to 3 days max. Usually I try to do it within 24 hours. Then I ask them a couple of preliminary questions, to gauge their interest and if they happen to be the right clientele that I work with. I will only work with people who are ready to take action in their life, they're serious about it and they're not just fooling around because they're bored and they're just sending out requests to find out what services are available.

Even though a lot of people have money out there and they're willing to pay you, I'm not only out there for the money, but I want the satisfaction that they're making the right investment. When they walk away, they can say that working with Sasha was worthwhile, because I learned a lot and now I'm applying what she shared with me. Sometimes people are under the impression as, I hate my job, I want this to happen, how come I don't have love in my life, let me go to a coach or spiritualist, pay them and overnight they're going to fix my life. The fixing can only be done by the client. I can only provide you with the ingredients and the tools of how to go about fixing it, or how to find your perfect career opportunity. Or how to have a healthy relationship, how to attract money, how to build a business. Those are things that can be taught to a degree, but if the person doesn't want to apply it, it doesn't mean a thing to me and they'll be out of money.

Robert Plank: Basically, you have this initial meeting to figure out if they're coachable, and if they're someone that you'll actually feel fulfilled with by meeting with them I guess.

Sasha Laghonh: Yes, because I'm looking for results. Initially, when I started out, I think I was a bit more hopeful, but you are more invested in your clients' well being, but I would find clients that didn't care that much. They thought that I could just go to one person, have a one time meeting, pay them, and they'll fix my life problems. It doesn't quite work that way. It's more of an engagement, and it's a two way street. I am there to help you and there to coach you. At the end of the day, once they walk away, I want to make sure that they're able to sustain the level of success that they want once they achieve it.

Robert Plank: That makes a lot of sense, you can only kind of show them the way. You have this first meeting and then if you decide that they want to move forward, then what's the next step.

Sasha Laghonh: Once we decide that we'll be working together, then I give them a handful of questions and then we start our sessions, whether it's on Skype, chat or phone and then I work them through, what are their challenges and stuff that they want to learn new stuff about.

Typically, when clients come to me, lately the questions that I get have to do with entrepreneurship. How do I take the first step? Part of it that I usually drill into them, is that plan ahead of time. You can't go to work on a Monday morning if you're working corporate and thinking, I hate my job, I'm going to run out and just start a business. All that requires planning and a process. There's the other hand where I meet people where they plan so much to become an entrepreneur, but they haven't put any of the plan into action. It says they haven't taken any steps to move away from being dependent on, whether it's corporate America or any third party that's providing them with an income. You have to learn how to strike a balance, but also have to explain to people that want to make a change of why it's necessary to take action. I know a lot of people who will plan, but they will not take any action.

Robert Plank: What's the fix for that?

Sasha Laghonh: Typically, I ask them what is holding them back and what are the emotional blocks within them? It could be anxiety and fear, because you can understand anxiety, if you're getting paid bi-weekly, you're going to go from getting paid bi-weekly to whenever you make your first sale. The goal that entrepreneurship has to do with, not only working for yourself, but having the passion that will drive you to the point of creating consistent form of income. Unless they could answer those health questions, I cannot help them. It's one of those things, you could give a person who needs help, all of the resources out there in the world, but if they're not ready to take that leap of faith, it's as they haven't done anything yet. They need to feel emotionally secure to say, I'm going to take a leap of faith and no matter what happens, or what the outcome is, I can live with it.

Robert Plank: How does someone get to that point?

Sasha Laghonh: I feel that some of my clients get to that point with time. Not just time heals, because I think time accommodates. Once somebody brings your attention of what is holding you back, what do you fear and if some of you know how to plan and you have a contingency plan and you have the right support telling you, you have a good idea. This is the time to take those steps. If you have the wrong people surrounding you, whether its friends or family, or people who care for you, and you want to be an entrepreneur but your idea, I don't like to say, it sucks, a lot of people will hold their true opinions back and kind of set up a person to fail. They don't want to be that messenger. People are entitled to their opinions, it doesn't meant the potential entrepreneur has to agree with them, but you need someone to give you objective and honest feedback. At the end of the day, I don't have anything vested in there. I'm not investing money in them, I'm investing tools in them and I want them to do well.

Robert Plank: Would you say that that's a big part of what you do? Being that objective person and maybe not being mean on purpose, but also not just telling them what they want to hear?

Sasha Laghonh: Right and I will say my strategy is tough love, but I'm not someone who's loud, vulgar or into yelling or any of that. I do bring alternative perspective, where I ask them all these questions that say, what are you going to do if this, this doesn't work out? What is your backup plan if you get rejected for funding, do you have a business plan? Do you even know the market that you're selling to? All of these questions that they should be able to have an idea. Sometimes people are in love with the idea of starting a business, but they have no clue where to begin, which is okay. They have to do their own homework and paying a stranger can only get you so far, but on a bad day, let's say if you're working for yourself and the economy goes bust, and we can't afford all of the talent around you, you still need to know how to run your own home. You still need to know how to run your own business. Somebody has to come in and say, have you thought about these things? Of course, with everything that we do in our life, no matter how many years you've been working for yourself, there's always something new that we learn in the process. You can't depend on other people forever.

Robert Plank: Right. That makes a lot of sense. Out of everything we've talked about today, or maybe there's something else, but you have all these coaching clients and some of them are uncertain about transitioning out of a day job, or some of them have these missing pieces in their business. Do you see a common problem or like a number one problem that you keep seeing over and over with these coaching and consulting clients that you have?

Sasha Laghonh: One of my pet peeves is that usually they pay too much attention to what everybody else is doing that they jump on the bandwagon without even questioning, do I need to do what my competitor's doing, do I need to do what my friend is doing. My family member told me it works out perfect for them, so I should do it too. I want individuals to question things that they're exposed to. Question information that comes your way, question the source. People may mean well, but at the end of the day, if you're putting up your own resources and your own money and you run dry, you don't want to be standing there alone in bankruptcy court, blaming everybody else. I would say, just be accountable for the financial decisions you make, be accountable for the people that you bring into your professional path. We don't get to control who comes in or leaves, but be responsible for those who become part of your business. At the end of the day, you're the one putting the food on the table.

Robert Plank: I like that and yeah, I like that whole message. I think that it's really easy to get bullied and get pushed around by someone else's opinions that it's easy for them to make because it doesn't affect them, but it sure as heck affects you.

Sasha Laghonh: Yes, and even though it is a business, you should bring your passion and your energy into it, but keep your emotions in check. Sometimes people get so emotional, whether for better or worse, that we forget to be rational when you have to make these decisions. They get caught up in the moment and then they might realize, somebody goes to the bank and they end up walking out with a larger loan than they need and later in time they realize that I didn't need all that money and I don't have the resources to pay it back. Or they get excited with a friend doing business that they're not well equipped to navigate through the friendship when the times get rough, because this is getting in the way. There's so many different variables about balancing the rational and the emotional aspects of running a business and living your life day to day.

Robert Plank: Interesting, it sounds like a big part of this, it seems like there are a lot of things that can trip people up, but having that objective person to talk to and listen to, sounds like it's super important. I like the way that you explain your coaching, that you don't just necessarily tell someone what to do, but you kind of ask all the right questions and get them to think things through about their life and about their business.

Sasha Laghonh: Yes and I want people to know that even if they go seek out a coach, a spiritualist, whichever type of professional, to know that they are qualified to grant you guidance. To always question your source, it doesn't mean that it's a one way type of communication that they come to me. They could ask me questions about what my thoughts are, but at the end of the day, I always tell them, it's not what Sasha will do or what your friend will do, or what your family member will do, you are the one making the decisions and you have to live with the ramifications. You have to feel comfortable in your own skin. If you feel you're getting bullied by people, then chances are high that you need to change the type of people you are seeking information from, or doing business with. You're working for yourself and if you don't feel comfortable in your own home per se, then something is wrong.

Robert Plank: Oh yeah, it's hard to disagree with that one. Kind of along those lines as far as people who, if someone out there they want to make a change, they want to fix things, they want to get a coach, they want to read about what you have to say and they want to find out all about Sasha, where can they go and where should they go to find out all that information?

Sasha Laghonh: Sure, they're welcome to go to SashaTalks.com. Even thought they don't need a session or a package of sessions, because I'm not in the business of keeping people to become a forever client. I'm there just to help them and I always treat each client as if we are not meant to meet again, this is what I'm parting with so they know how to proceed forward. If they need a critique for their business or something, I am available again at SashaTalks.com.

Robert Plank: Awesome, so thanks for not only sharing what you have to say about people helping themselves, but I also like the little behind the scenes bit about how you kind of adapted yourself and kind of adjusted a coaching business so that it would continue to grow, even when the whole outside world changed on you. Pretty cool stuff, SashaTalks.com. Thanks for being on the show Sasha.

Sasha Laghonh: Thank you Robert, for having me.

Rodney Hughes: Hey, thank you. I'm so happy to be here.

Robert Plank: Cool, and I'm happy that you are here. Could you tell me about what it is that you do, and what makes you different and special?

Rodney Hughes: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. For the last decade, what I've been focused on is I create sales and marketing solutions for various different organizations. I've worked with the Federal Government, non-profit organizations. I've worked with many different private sector organizations and what I do is I pretty much go in, figure out where the gaps are in the business and create strategies to solve that. Whether it be online sales and marketing solutions or whether it's in-person sales and marketing solutions.

Robert Plank: Could you give us an example of that?

Rodney Hughes: Yeah, yeah. As an example, I'll give you my most recent one. There's a gentleman that I'm working with, that I just got finished working with actually, who owns a ... He has a barbecue company. He does barbecue sauces and things of that nature. One of the things we did for him is we created a lead generation website for him, so that he can start collecting the contact information of the people that are interested in what he's offering, as far as sauces and things of that nature. We're helping him and we helped create a strategy that we're trying to get him to have at least 5,000 new subscribers over the course of the next 2 years, so that he can have a basis for driving online sales.

Robert Plank: Awesome so you're making the whole website for him, an opt-in for him, traffic and all that good stuff?

Rodney Hughes: Yeah, all that type of stuff. Then also helping him come up with online and offline strategies to actually drive that forward.

Robert Plank: Like what?

Rodney Hughes: Say it again?

Robert Plank: Like what? What strategies are you using to get those 5,000 subscribers coming in?

Rodney Hughes: This particular gentleman, he goes to various flea markets and various different retail locations. While he's out, what I mentioned to him was that it's one thing to get that immediate dollar, right? Which you definitely always want to drive sales but the reality is that sometimes situations come up, either people didn't feel like buying right there in that moment or maybe they might want to buy a little bit later or whatever, and so what we did was we said, "Listen. When you have people and you're giving out samples, hey offer this irresistible offer right here that's going to intrigue them and make them want to actually jump on your list.

Then, once a week, you want to actually give a recipe of the week or just ... " I tried to teach him how to also do a little bit of video blogging as well, so that he can have other ways of actually engaging with these people once they get on his list. He's building his list primarily through when he's giving samples to people, he has an irresistible offer that he shares with them. They decide whether or not they want to jump on his list at that time.

Robert Plank: Interesting. Are you seeing, with these businesses that you're helping out such as like this barbecue man and stuff like that, are you seeing the pieces that are missing for a lot of these businesses, is it the really simple stuff? Or is it more like advanced and complicated stuff?

Rodney Hughes: 9 times out of 10, it's really the simple stuff. I'll tell you like I told him. It surprises me, just think about this for a second, think about how many businesses that you've been to personally, okay, over the last year that you had a really, really great experience. Maybe it was a new restaurant like have you gone to a new restaurant lately, that you really, really liked?

Robert Plank: In the past few months, yeah.

Rodney Hughes: While you were at that restaurant, at any time throughout that ... From the moment that you walked in that restaurant, did they try to get to actually engage with you and get you to opt-in to some type of either coupon service or anything along those lines?

Robert Plank: Opting in no but, if they had, I for sure would have opted in.

Rodney Hughes: Got it. I want you to really think about this for a second, okay? The average American comes in contact with, it's estimated, comes in contact with somewhere between 5 to 7,000 ads every single day. That might be shooting it a little bit short if they're in a huge market like Atlanta, New York, Los Angeles or somewhere like that. If they're coming in contact ... If the average American is coming in contact with that many ads, what that means is that, simultaneously, they're coming in contact with 5,000 to 7,000 different promises every day.

Because they're coming in contact with all of that, all of these promises, all of these offers and all of ... Just all the stuff, what ends up happening is it creates an environment where the average person is trying to block out a whole bunch of different stuff, right? As a business owner, if you do a good enough job, think about all the things that you have to do, that restaurant had to do to actually even become a blip on your radar to where they were even able to get you to come in and try their actual food. Now, they did all this work. They probably invested thousands of dollars in advertising.

Then when you come in there, you have an amazing experience but then, when you leave, they didn't even ask to connect with you. Now what ends up happening is, as a business owner, that forces that business owner to have to borrow on other people's lines of communication. That's really all you're doing when you're advertising. When you advertise it on the Superbowl, you paid millions of dollars because you're trying to borrow the Superbowl's actual line of communication with their end users, right? When you advertise on the radio, when you advertise anywhere, you're paying to borrow on the line of communication. Now you've done all this work to get a person to come into your establishment, and you're not even attempting to connect with them so that you can own your own line of communication.

Robert Plank: Interesting.

Rodney Hughes: That is what we call, and I'm not trying to be rude here, but it will, in business, that is penny wise and dollar foolish. What you're doing is you're doing a lot of work upfront to get them to come through the door so that you can make that immediate sale, but what about all the other sales, right? Is it possible that restaurant that you went to, that you would want to go back sometime, right?

Robert Plank: If I liked it, for sure.

Rodney Hughes: Yeah, if you liked it, yeah, you would want to go back. Guess what? Is it also possible that you're distracted with all kinds of stuff, stuff going on at the job, stuff going on in your family, stuff, just regular day-to-day habitual things that you do every day. Is it possible that you might not ... It might not cross your mind to go back there? If they would have been connected with you and would have found creative ways to stay in communication with you, you might have would have thought to yourself, oh man. It's been a minute since I went there, maybe I should go back.

Robert Plank: Would you say that with these businesses that you're helping out, is this one of the first things you look for? Some way for them to capture some leads and follow up.

Rodney Hughes: From my ... No, well yes and no. When I look at a business or when my company, as a whole, looks at a business, me and my team, what ends up happening is I train my entire team ... I guess you could say our unique selling proposition is that we help companies explode their sales performance in 90 days or less, okay? The way that we do that is we really focus on identifying 4 key things. Number one is how well do they handle obscurity, right? Here's the reality. If you're in a place of obscurity as a business, then you can have the greatest product in the world but I can't do business with you if I don't know you exist. Very first thing I look at, with any organization, is how well are they at overcoming obscurity?

The second thing is I look for missed opportunities. Where are you missing opportunities? This particular scenario that I just explained to you, that was a missed opportunity. Those are missed opportunities where he's not trying to connect, where he wasn't previously connecting with people who showed interest in what it is he had to offer. That's why we created strategies to take advantage of that, and to actually effectively address that situation, okay?

The third thing that I look for is, I look for what's already working in the business. I try to ... We try to enhance that. If you're knocking it out the park, selling a whole bunch of different sauces, how can we enhance that? How can we get people to buy more sauces or how can we get people to buy other complementary products or whatever?

Then the fourth thing that we look for is we look at where is the business wasting time and wasting effort? At the end of the day, there's no difference between your business and Microsoft. There's no difference between Microsoft and Berkshire Hathaway. At the end of the day, every single business has 24 hours to get things done. If you're investing a lot of time, energy and resources into things that are not working, that are not getting you the results that you really need to get done, you're better off just eliminating those things. When we couple all 4 of those things together and take a look at an organization, it allows us to create a sales and marketing solution that can really drive things forward and do it in a very fast manner.

Robert Plank: Cool so it's customized to them, then?

Rodney Hughes: Yes.

Robert Plank: Just to make sure that I got your 4 points right. You look at these 4 things. Number one, how they handle obscurity. Number 2, the missed opportunities. Number 3, what's already working that you can enhance and then number 4, where they're wasting the time and effort.

Rodney Hughes: Correct.

Robert Plank: I mean something that you mentioned a few minutes ago, a little bit off-handedly, is with this particular case study that you're mentioning, you get .. In this case, what he was doing was he was going to these events, he was getting people on a list and sending them offers. You mentioned really quick that you had some creative ways to get people back to the business. Do you have any cool, just creative things you've been doing lately, that are maybe not the usual stuff, in order to help someone's business?

Rodney Hughes: Got it. I mean it really varies because something that is not usual in one industry might be completely usual in another industry, right? It's not usual to have an opt-in type of situation for a company that sells barbecue sauce. I think that sometimes business owners, they are trying to be super-unique with things and I think you can be unique sometimes just by looking at what's working in other industries. As an example, let's say the drive-through window, right? The drive-through window actually, at restaurants, actually came from the banking industry.

They got that from the banking industry and it allowed them to be very effective. The drive-through concept was not a new concept but it was new to an industry. They were able to implement it. Now, it's just almost a common way of doing business now for fast food industries. What I usually do is I look at other industries, see what's working very well and see is there any way that we can make that work for a particular business in a particular situation?

Robert Plank: I like that and that's pretty powerful. That makes me think of ... I mean I wish more businesses had drive-throughs, right? Or even I remember a few years ago, I was playing around with Domino's Pizza's website. I think I might have bought a Domino's Pizza one time and then, at some point, I ended up on their text blast list. I know for sure that I didn't unsubscribe from it but I might have just stopped getting the messages. I stopped buying from them, but I thought it was cool that they would not only be building this list of all these SMS subscribers but they would go and send a message right before lunch.

Rodney Hughes: Yeah.

Robert Plank: That's a cool thing. In any other industry that's not doing that, that seems like a pretty easy way to find the low hanging fruit there.

Rodney Hughes: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, at the end of the day, I think that ... See, here's the deal. One of the ways that I like ... In my book, the very first principle that I mention in my book is the 10 principles of selling domination. It says, "You're only in one business. You're in the money getting business and never forget that." The reason why I say that, the reason why that's the leading principle, is because the problem that a lot of people have is, number one, they have no earthly idea what business they're in, okay? Every single business, there's only one business on God's green earth.

Hey, guess what? Wells Fargo is in the exact same business as Walmart. Walmart is in the exact same business I'm in. I'm in the exact same business you're in and so on and so on and so on. We're in the money getting business and that's not about being greedy. It's about focus, right? What people ... If you don't understand that you're in the money getting business, then your focus isn't going to be right. If you understand that you're in the money getting business, now you maybe in a different industry, there are many different industries, many different products, many different services.

If you understand that you're in the money getting business, the reason why that will help you tremendously is because then you'll get to understand like, "Okay. If we're all in the same business, then I might easily be able to see what's going on in an industry that I know nothing about but that is working ... I see is working very well. I might be able to get something from that and make it work in my industry." At the end of the day, the goal is always the same which is to find people that you can serve, help and collect money in exchange for serving and helping them. Does that make sense?

Robert Plank: Yeah, it does. I think that's some pretty dang good advice because I think that, when I was younger, I would not really pay a lot of attention to other businesses. I think that once I started looking at these other businesses that seemed to be doing well and saying, "Okay. Here's what they're doing to get people in." I can guesstimate, "Okay they get this number of people in per day and they're probably making this amount of money." It helps to, instead of in the past I would write these other businesses off, to look at it from an outsider's perspective, almost like a reverse engineering perspective and just look at what it is that they're doing. It seems like if they keep doing it, it must be working for them.

Rodney Hughes: Yes, exactly.

Robert Plank: Would you say that, with all these businesses you helped, would you say that their big mistake is that they're not looking ... They're not comparing themselves to other businesses? Or would you say that there's an even bigger thing they're all missing out on?

Rodney Hughes: It's not so much about comparing yourself to other businesses. I think the biggest thing, some of the biggest things that people miss out on is that they ... I think sometimes people want this to be very difficult, okay? What I mean by that is there's a lot of things that are very, very simple but it doesn't mean that it's easy but it is simple, right? If, at the end of the day, if you understand that if you have a great product, service or solution, which I urge everyone to represent great products, services and solutions, but if you're not doing everything you possibly can every single day to get out and let people know about what it is that you're doing, you're not setting yourself up for success.

See, here's the thing. A lot of people, in business, a lot of people that I encounter in business, let's put it that way, a lot of people that I encounter in business, they fall in love with the business so much that they don't focus on the things that actually make the business work. What I mean by that is let's say you're a baker, right? First off, like I said, there's only one business in God's green earth. If you think you're in the baking business, then you're not going to perform nearly as high as another baker down the street that understands that they're in the money getting business.

This is, listen, this is 100% proven. Let's use McDonald's as an example. McDonald's is in the money getting business. If you look at just how they operate, it doesn't take long for you to understand that they understand they're in the money getting business. If I was in a room full of a million people and I asked a million people to raise your hand and say, "How many of you know who McDonald's is?" Almost everybody, if not everybody, would put their hands up. Would you agree?

Robert Plank: Yes, I would.

Rodney Hughes: If I was in that same room, right after I asked that question, and I say, "Hey. How many of you have had a better hamburger than McDonald's?" I'm almost sure that 100% of everybody would raise their hand and say, "Hey. I've had a better hamburger somewhere else." Would you agree with that?

Robert Plank: Yes, I would.

Rodney Hughes: Then I say, right after that I say, "Now let me ask you something. How many of those places that you had the better hamburger at can say 90 billion served?"

Robert Plank: None.

Rodney Hughes: Nobody's hands would go up.

Robert Plank: Interesting. What you're saying is you're seeing a lot of people who, they fall in love with the business or they ... You used the baker example. You could have a baker who they love baking but they ignore the business side of it. Or they don't focus on making it a machine or a system that just works really smoothly, keeps bringing people in and keeps making money. That's a huge problem you're saying.

Rodney Hughes: Exactly, exactly. There are too many people that have really, really great products and they invest a considerable amount of time into making sure the product, the service or solution is great. I'm not against that. I'm totally for that. I want you to have ... Represent great stuff because it really does help. I want you to focus on understanding business, you understand? You're good at what you do which is either if you're a chiropractor, you're good at doing chiropractic stuff, right? If you're an accountant, maybe you're great at crunching numbers and that's great.

I want you to be great at that but don't neglect being the business. The business is what's going to differentiate you. The business is what's going to ultimately lead to your great success. Doesn't it suck to have a great product, service or solution, you look down the street and you're getting your head beat in by somebody who has a far less superior product, service or solution in the exact same market that you're in?

Robert Plank: I mean that's a blow to the ego there.

Rodney Hughes: You see what I'm saying?

Robert Plank: Yeah.

Rodney Hughes: Guess what? If the person down the street understands hey, I'm in the money getting business. Then they're probably going to have way better sales results than you have, if you think that you're in whatever other business you think you're in.

Robert Plank: Cool so it sounds like that people, if they want, they can have the best of everything, right? They can have a good business that everyone knows about and they can be good at whatever skill it is that they're in.

Rodney Hughes: Absolutely, absolutely. I totally believe that you can be great at both things. I just feel that it's just a matter of focus and intention, you know what I mean?

Robert Plank: Oh yeah.

Rodney Hughes: If you neglect ... See, that's the thing. A lot of people neglect the business side of things. They neglect the marketing, they don't want to do that. They're just like, "Man I just want to bake." In that baker scenario, they're just like, "Man I just like cooking, period." If that's the case, then maybe that should just be ... If you're not willing to do the things to make the business grow big enough to where it would be happy for you, everybody doesn't want to be a millionaire, billionaire, whatever, right? If you're not willing to learn what it takes to get to the level of success that you desire from a business standpoint, then maybe that should just be a hobby and you should just get a job.

Robert Plank: I mean kind of harsh advice but I mean I think that a lot of people need to hear that.

Rodney Hughes: Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, I'm not trying to be harsh. I'm just trying to call it how I see it.

Robert Plank: Be real, yeah.

Rodney Hughes: If you're not willing ... That's just like if you want to lose weight, you're not willing to work out and change up how you eat, well then you can't out work a bad diet. I mean I don't know what else to say to you. You can buy as many gym memberships as you want.

Robert Plank: I mean I agree with you there. I think that this is really important. I think that this is something that every business owner needs to hear, especially if they're maybe making things a little too hard on themselves. It doesn't have to be that way. Can you tell us about your website, your coaching, your book and all that cool stuff?

Rodney Hughes: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. If you ... My website is MarketingSS.com. I have a book called Selling Domination: Your Blueprint for Selling More and Generating an Extraordinary Income. It's a fantastic book. It's a short read. I wrote this book because I wrote the book that I wish I would have been able to have when I first got started in business. I want it to be a quick read that is really packed with value. Anybody that's in business, doesn't matter whether you're entrepreneur, business owner, sales professional, no matter what, this is a great book for somebody to have. Even if you're not even in business, because selling is such an integral part of success, period.

I don't care what field that you decide to go into, this would be a great book to have. If you wanted to pick up a copy of that, you can get it at www.sellingdominationbook.com. If you want more free just information from me directly, you like the way that I look at business and like to learn more, if you go to my regular website, marketingss and that's Sam Sam. It's short for Marketing Synergy Solutions. If you go to marketingss.com, you go to my video blog session section, you'll see I have tons of content that you can have access to. There you go.

Robert Plank: Awesome so lots of cool stuff, SellingDominationBook.com and MarketingSS.com. Rodney, thanks for being on the show and thanks for sharing what you had to share with us. I appreciate everything you have to say.

Rodney Hughes: Thanks for having me on the show. I hope that I was able to give some great value and I look forward to connecting with you in the future.

Robert Plank: Looking forward to that too, thanks a bunch.

Kyra, welcome to the show. Tell us about yourself and what makes you different and special.

Kyra Reed: I've been in the industry 12 years now. I was very fortunate to have my first client in my agency in LA. The Roxy Theater on the Sunset Strip in Los Angeles in West Hollywood ... Legendary club, family owned ... I was able to at the very beginning of social media, go in and really help them save, not only the business, but the entire Sunset Strip. It was featured in "The New York Times," "TechCrunch," "Entrepreneur Magazine" and on and on. Lots of national publications ...

Became one of the biggest case studies around music and social media to date ... That gave me a tremendous amount of insight. I had a lot of freedom to really play and explore and check out this new emerging technology. Really see what works, what doesn't because I've been there since the very beginning.

That led me and my business partner to develop a process that we call "The Social System," where we help companies, actually, in our 5-point system accomplish everything that they need in their social strategy. No one has anything like it. Whether you're a solo-preneur or a Fortune 500 company, it scales. It's usable. It's simple, and it encompasses everything that you need. That's what makes me different.

Robert Plank: Cool. What are the 5 points of that system, or is that a secret?

Kyra Reed: No. We're happy to talk about it. It is something that we developed because we wanted to create some standards in this industry. Everybody seems to be an expert or a guru. The industry itself, can't decide on what are the specific processes that we should all agree with.

What we came up with is very simple 5 steps. They boil down to this. Number 1, first thing you have to know is who are you? You got to look at your branding and your messaging. That has to come first. Second, who are you talking to? How do you look at your customers and really understand them from a social perspective, which means, how are they feeling when they come through that door? What is their emotional state? What is your promise to them and the needs that they have? This is a very different way of looking at your customers.

Next is, what are you saying? That's your content strategy. We can't put your content strategy together until we know who you are and what you're saying. Thing is, most people want to come in, and they want to get right into that content strategy or right into growth strategy. It's impossible to do that effectively and authentically, which you must do when you're working in social media, unless we know who are you and who are you talking to.

Who are you? Who are you talking to? What are you saying? How are you selling? Selling on social media is absolutely possible. You can do it very successfully, but again, you've got to know who are you, who are you talking to, and what are you saying, before you can get into the sell.

The last piece of it is, actually, growth and maintenance. That's where your policies come in. Which platform should you be on? How are you going to grow your community? All of those things people want to start with, but they're not important. They're not something you can really focus on, until you know, who are you, who are you talking to, what are you saying, how are you selling.

Robert Plank: I like how that's all broken down. Like you said, it has everything you need, but it's simple and you can just easily look at it and see. See if someone's starting over with the social media or looking at what's working and what's not working. You mentioned a couple of minutes ago that the way you got your start was by fixing and helping out The Roxy Theater's marketing effort. How long ago was this? Was this marketing, in general, or were you helping with their social side of things?

Kyra Reed: Yeah. It was social-specific. I started working with them 10 years ago in November. At that time, the Sunset Strip was really pretty much the has been. I worked in the music industry and my friends would say, "Don't think I'm going to to go The Roxy, just because you're working with them. That place sucks."

It had gone from this club in the '60s and '70s and '80s ... It was just the be all, end all. They were launching all these great bands to nobody wanted to go. They were really close to closing their doors. It was when Tower Records shut down. The owner had this epiphany, "Oh my gosh, I'm next if I don't get my act together, but we don't have any money to do a re-branding and re-marketing."

I met him right at that time and I said, "Look, let's shake it up. Let's take down your website and put up a blog." Now, that sounds like no big deal, but we were the very first ever to do that. Now, every music venue has a blog as their website. We were the first. We got ridiculed for it, actually.

I got the owner on Twitter. I got him on Facebook. I think we were number 1,900 on Twitter. We'd completely revolutionized the way that the whole club process was done because we went from having what we called a "velvet rope mentality," where we kept everybody out.

We took those ropes down. We invited the whole world into the club. We made friends with everybody. We gave away tickets. We started the Tweet Crawl. The very first ever Tweet Crawl. We brought the entire community of the Sunset Strip together. The first time in 40, 50, 60 years that that entire street was working together as opposed to these siloed businesses. What we did is we took all of these principles on social media, authenticity, transparency, community and we looked at how can we integrate these into what we're doing every day?

As a result, not only The Roxy but Nic Adler, the owner of The Roxy became a real social media pioneer. For several years, he was on the speaking circuit. Everybody wanted to know, "What had The Roxy done? What had the Sunset Strip done to save itself." We did it with no budget. We did it all with social media, using community, using the ability to communicate with customers and really be on top of customer service.

Give people what they wanted ... Communicate with them. Use our great photos. Use the access we had with artists, and it changed everything.

Robert Plank: All this happened 10 years ago, and it sounds like you guys were the pioneers for a lot of this stuff. If none of this existed, how did you come across these ideas? Was it a matter of trying out these experiments, or was it seeing what the need was? How did you come up with all this?

Kyra Reed: Mm-hmm (affirmative)- It was a course of 5 years. We started 10 years ago, and we worked really hard at it for about 5 years. Then it kind of went on auto-pilot. The way that I came to these conclusions ... I was living in Portland. I was managing bands, and I was hired by a band manager who said, "I need you to figure out this blogging thing." It was a brand new word, brand new idea. They'd just broke in a band called "Clap Your Hands Say Yeah." It was the first band to ever break on a blog.

I started digging around and doing research. I saw this really interesting thing that music blogs were promoting their competition. They were reposting their competition's work, and everybody was happy to do it. Then I was fortunate enough to come across a documentary called "Revolution OS." "Revolution OS" talked about open source and how the idea of open source ideology, where we have this open sharing of information, that it's going to change everything.

It's going to change how people relate to each other. It's going to change how business is done. It's going to put consumers in the driver's seat. I saw this happening. Gosh, that was 2 years even before I met up with The Roxy. This is 12 years ago. Shortly after that, I picked up a book called "The Long Tail" by Chris Anderson. It all came together for me, exactly what was going to be happening and that it was going to be fueled by people's desires to connect and the fact that technology was going to make that happen. How that was going to change business ...

I applied those very abstract, vague ideas to company that I was fortunate ... Unlike my business partner, who was working at Live Nation and Ticketmaster at the time, she had to prove every single thing that she did based on a dollar. Which was really great because she was one of the first to actually be able to prove that social could make money ...

I had the freedom to play. I had the freedom to really experiment with community and what does that mean? How authentic and how transparent can you be? What do you need to keep to yourself? What do you need to share? What's being risky? What is really going to ... There are a lot of really interesting stories that I have from that time, and one of my favorites is when we had a concert at The Roxy.

The act was late, and so, people had to wait outside longer. They had problems with sound check, and it really wasn't The Roxy's fault. At the time, "The LAist" used to love to pick on The Roxy. Everybody loved to pick on The Roxy. It was like low-hanging fruit. It was an easy target. Of course they came back, and they wrote a horrible review and ripped the Roxy to shreds.

Based on this idea of authenticity, Nic went ahead, and he left this long comment explaining everything that happened. At the end of it, he said, "You know. We're here, and we are really trying. We know we have messed up with our public, and we are really trying. I want to hear from you guys because we're going to do everything we can to make this a better experience for you."

He put his phone number in the comment and said, "Call me and let me know if you have problems with The Roxy. We're going to fix it right away."

Robert Plank: Interesting.

Kyra Reed: That was the last negative review we ever had.

Robert Plank: That's cool, and I love little stories like that because it's one thing for you to say, "Here are the mechanics. Here are the steps" and stuff like that. I always like the little stories where you do something random and crazy, to not just get attention, make more money as well.

Kyra Reed: I'll tell you another really quick story to demonstrate because I think a lot of people do not understand the power of social. A lot of people just think, "Well, you know, I have to do this to promote my company. It's because it's where everybody is. It's just what I have to do." The power of social when you use it right ...

That's how we started with The Roxy. It was everybody's favorite whipping horse, right? Seven years later, "The Voice" ... The TV show "The Voice" ... Adam Levine starts reviewing a woman who did a Michelle Branch song. He says, "You know, Michelle Branch ... I played with her at The Roxy, and The Roxy sucks. They didn't give me a dressing room," and he looked right at the camera and said something really nasty about The Roxy.

They air on the East Coast ahead of the West Coast. Nic, the owner of The Roxy, his phone started blowing up about all these tweets about The Roxy. He got on, saw a real quick YouTube video about what was said and was shocked. He immediately got in touch with the Yahoo music editor, had them redo the marquee at The Roxy and tweeted, "Adam Levine? Come on? Really?"

That was it. Once it hit the West Coast feed, his response to the Yahoo music editor went out. It said, "Look. You were our house band for a long time. You know that it's not our fault. The lead band chooses who gets the dressing room, not us. We love you, man." It was with a photo of the marquee on The Roxy that said, "Adam Levine, your dressing room is ready." That was it.

"TMZ," "Hollywood Reporter," "Vanity Fair" ... Everybody picked that story up, and our community came to our rescue so seriously that it changed the face of The Roxy because our community loves and supports that venue so much now because of all the work that we did that we don't have to do much. Nobody could attack The Roxy. We went from being the favorite whipping boy in L.A. to the golden child of the music scene there.

Robert Plank: That's pretty cool, and the best part of that is that you guys were able to react within an hour or 2. You were able to react very quickly.

Kyra Reed: Mm-hmm (affirmative)- This is why you've got to get out there and build your audience because when you do, your audience is going to protect you. They're going to come and rally around you, and they're going to spread the word for you. Then when you can leverage and see what you can do, and you can keep an eye on who's tweeting about you, who's talking about you ... You can respond with levity. You cannot buy that kind of press and marketing. You just can't.

Robert Plank: I've noticed that some brands are really good about doing that. A few of the airlines and stuff like Taco Bell ... I noticed that all day long, they have, for sure, a team of some kind just responding every couple of minutes to whoever's tweeting them with whatever kind of problem. They're super responsive in that way.

Kyra Reed: Yes, and I'll tell you ... Southwest Airlines ... I just had a horrible experience with them, but man, they were on it. I've tweeted about it. They got to me immediately and made me feel like, "All right. Some things didn't work, but they cared. They care about their customers. They don't want people walking away feeling crappy about interacting with this brand." I have brands that won't do that, and it makes me want to leave them.

Robert Plank: Is this what you do? Is this primarily what you do? You go to these brands who may be could be marketing better on social, and you just whip them into shape, I guess?

Kyra Reed: I wish that more brands would let me do it, to be honest with you. Social is still something that is relegated to the back burner. It's an add-on. People don't understand the real value and power that it has, and they're scared of it because it requires making a transition from old-school marketing, which was one-way communication. "I decide, based on whatever focus group or arbitrary thing I want to say what my public is going to hear from me. I don't want to answer questions. I don't want to reveal too much, and I don't want to get involved."

That's really, truly the viewpoint of a lot of businesses. "I don't need social media. We're doing just fine without it." The reality is you could be doing a thousand times better because every brand gets checked out on Facebook. Every brand is getting reviewed by hundreds of people a day, whether they know it or not. How you interact with the public says so much to consumers these days.

People want to kind of pin it under PR. They want to pin it under marketing. They don't really understand that social is its own beast. It's its own dynamic, and it has the power to completely change a company. It has the power to affect sales and PR, marketing, customer service, product development, everything, even HR. There's a lot of untapped resource. The result is a lot of people entering the market that don't know what they're doing, so a lot of people say it doesn't work.

"Eh, social doesn't work. It doesn't work. It's a waste of time. It's waste of money. It's too noisy." It's noisy with a lot of people that don't understand how to use it. There's still a lot of untapped potential there for a lot of brands, and I do. I wish that more brands would hand over the keys to me and let me just turn them over.

Robert Plank: You start doing your thing and playing around, right?

Kyra Reed: Mm-hmm (affirmative)-

Robert Plank: Along those lines, what are your thoughts ... The thing I'm still trying to come to terms with, I guess with all this social media marketing stuff, is how do you reconcile the promotional part of it ... The tweeting the links versus everyone wants to be silly and go viral and be like the Old Spice guy. What are your thoughts in that whole area?

Kyra Reed: That's advertising. That's where you craft very a specific persona for a product release ... Oreo does that really well. Doritos does it really well. These brands ... They can get away with it because they're enormous brands, and their target market is Millennials. There's also a lot of inauthenticity that goes along with it. Smaller brands ... They actually really need to ... Go back to that 5-point system.

Who are you? Who are you authentically? You've got to show up as who you really are. They way you do that is by talking about your values. If you go in, just trying to push sales, you're going to lose people. If you go in, and you say, "Look, let's take a example of ..." A really easy one ... A company that makes baby gear that's an eco-company, right? This company is going to talk about the fact that, "Look, we value sustainable products. We value fair-trade products. Let's feature some of our vendors. Where we get the products from ... Let's take some product shots from our manufacturing facility. Let's really talk about why these products are really important to have around your baby and in your home."

If you really look at what your values are as a brand, you have so much to talk about that your customers want to hear. The brands go off on this other track, where they don't realize that that is the most important thing. We want to know about the companies that we're buying from. If they tell us what is important to them, and we find resonance with that, you've just made a loyal customer. You've just created trust, and trust is so hard to get with consumers these days.

If you're open about why you do what you do and what's important to you, you're going to draw the right customer, and they're immediately going to have trust for you. That's how we are as humans. If you and I meet, and we say, "Oh, we have the same religion," or "We have the same location" or the same profession ... We find these things very important, these principles of how we live and make our decisions in kind. It's inevitable. You have trust between each other now.

Who are you? Then you've got to understand really your customers. If you know what your customers need from you on an emotional level ... I don't mean emotional support, but I mean if somebody comes to you and they're frustrated, or they're angry, or they're fearful about something ... They're looking to your product to satisfy or change that for them, and you can say, "Hey, we understand that that's what you're here for. This is ... What we promised to you, we're going to give you."

That's amazing content. It also builds trust. It also gives people the reason why they need to choose you. Rather than just going for the sale, you've got to give people reasons why. That's what they want to know. They don't care what you did ... Ate for dinner ... They don't care about your employees' birthdays. They care about why you're in business and what you're going to do for them. Talk about that.

Robert Plank: Interesting ... The values and the reasons why ... That even makes me think of ... I think a day or two ago, I was just randomly sitting around my house, and I was randomly thinking, "Well, what would happen if ... Say my car was parked in a parking lot, and maybe someone opened the door on it and just dinged it. Just for whatever random reason ... I was just having this weird, random thought. I ended up doing some kind of search on my phone, and what showed up in the results was some kind of blog post by some kind of car, I guess ... People who repair cars, the little scratches and dings ...

Kyra Reed: Mm-hmm (affirmative)-

Robert Plank: It was just this little random story about someone went to some restaurant. The car was dinged up. They waited for the person who had clearly parked next to them and waited for them to come out.

Kyra Reed: Oh, gosh.

Robert Plank: It was like, "Who knows if this story was true?" They just told this blog post about this family ... Car got dinged ... They thought it would be not a big thing to worry about. They almost drove off. Then they did the insurance stuff, and then, it turned into ... Then they went to this little repair guy who just lives in this area, and they were ... The insurance covered it, and they just told this story. That just sticks out to me as you're explaining that just from a couple days ago, where I just randomly just had a weird thought, right? Landed on this blog post from this local business owner, who just told this random story and gave this helpful content that, "Okay, now. I've got it filed away."

All I need to do to find that person again is do that same sort of search, which somebody might actually be making that search if they're trying to solve that problem, I guess.

Kyra Reed: That's right. Now, if that happens to you, you've got that in your mind. You know exactly where you're going to go.

Robert Plank: Yeah. That's a pretty good first impression for me to make with this random, local business that I never even would have heard of otherwise.

Kyra Reed: Mm-hmm (affirmative)- This is the great thing about social. These things happen all the time. You never know where business is going to come from, and Nic used to call these "breadcrumbs." You spread them out throughout the internet, little marks that you leave behind. Positive reviews ... Little stories, blog posts, being on different social networks, engaging with people, leaving comments in people's posts ...

All of these things ... You never know who's going to see it. Do you know that 900 million people a day log into Facebook? That's almost 3 times the size of the United States.

Robert Plank: Crazy. It sounds like matter of just all these little things that on their own wouldn't mean much, but added up mean a lot.

Kyra Reed: Yes. Exactly.

Robert Plank: Cool. I like that most of the things that we're talking about here all lead back to the 5 things. Who are you? Who are you talking to? What are you saying? How are you selling, and then the growth and maintenance ... Along those lines, could you tell us, Kyra, about your agency and your websites and your books and all that cool stuff about you.

Kyra Reed: Sure. The agency is called "Made to Order." The Website is MTOAgency.com. You can find me at @KyraReed. You can find us on Instagram at social media for entrepreneurs. We have just released 2 new programs. One is for people who are struggling with self-promotion. There's a lot of fear around self-promotion, especially for women to step out and talk about themselves.

I've been working with a lot of female business owners, and what I realize is they need 2 things. They need a very simple plan that they can get their feet wet and start to see results. They need something to replace the fear. This program does both. It's called "Self-Promotion Mastery." Then we also have a program called, "Power to THRIVE Mastermind," and this is a 12-week course, where we take you through those 5 steps so that, by the end, you have a solid brand. You know who your customers are.

You know how to communicate with them. You have a content strategy. You have a sales strategy. You have your growth strategy. You know how to execute on all of them, and you'll be seeing results very quickly, like you never expected. Social will change your entire business.

Robert Plank: Awesome. I've already heard from you those lots of little tidbits about ... You saved a whole street basically, right?

Kyra Reed: Mm-hmm (affirmative)- Yep.

Robert Plank: Because of social media.

Kyra Reed: Yep.

Robert Plank: Awesome.

Kyra Reed: A very famous street. Actually, we've done it twice. We did it with Sunset Strip and Main Street in Santa Monica.

Robert Plank: Cool. It works over and over again. It wasn't just-

Kyra Reed: Yep.

Robert Plank: Wasn't just a fluke ...

Kyra Reed: Nope.

Robert Plank: That social media stuff is here to stay. There's something to that.

Kyra Reed: Yes, it is. Yep.

Robert Plank: Cool. Thanks for stopping by and sharing all your great insights, Kyra.

Ben has helped AARP launch one of the world's biggest magazines with 32 million circulation, and he's a trained, or he's trained top business leaders at Stanford University, and supported the ALS Association in improving healthcare and quality of life for thousands of people with Lou Gehrig's Disease after almost dying 4 times in 72 hours on a hike in India. We're going to have to talk about that for sure. Ben received a gift, a fire inside to make a bigger impact. Today, he teaches entrepreneurs, visionaries, organizations, and leaders how to communicate with more influence by using more empathy, story, and thought leadership. Lots of cool stuff. Welcome to the show, Ben.

Ben Gioia: Thank you so much, Robert. It's a pleasure to be here, thank you for asking me.

Robert Plank: Awesome. I mean, yeah, I'm glad you stopped by. Can you kind of tell us, I mean, there's that little bit of bio there, but can you kind of tell us in your own words what it is you do, what's kind of driving you right now, and what makes you special?

Ben Gioia: Absolutely, absolutely. Thank you so much. Gosh. Yeah, I'm going to, I guess, start this off, kick this off with a little bit about that story in India. Basically, I had this incredible hike, 72 hours, where I almost died 4 times, and it was ... My bus going, almost going off the road as we're going up a windy mountain curve. I mean, literally, the back of the bus was like skittering the edge and almost sliding off. The second time was running from a fire. It hadn't rained where we were in about 4 months, and literally, my guide turned to me at one point because he heard some agitated yelling, I couldn't understand it in English, off in the distance, and he said over his shoulder, "Run," and I said, "Run?" He went running off down the path.

Third time, we came upon a poisonous snake that I wouldn't have seen at all, just right in the path, tiny snake. My guide fortunately stopped me, and then ... The last time was running into a mountain lion, kind of stumbling upon a mountain lion. I think we were surprised, he or she was surprised, and fortunately, the mountain lion ran away; so, that was a wake-up call or a series of wake-up calls that just made me realize, "What an amazing gift this life is, my life. If I'm here on this Earth, and I'm functional and capable, I'm going to do good in the world;" so I started thinking about, "How could I do that?"

I pulled together talents, experience, all that kind of stuff, and that was the thing that brought Marketing With A Heart to the light; because I realized that there's so many people and good in the world, there's the whole idea of conscious business and transparency and ethical communication, all that stuff, and I realized that that needed to come into the marketing space as well. People felt good about their marketing, really would lead with value, be transparent, and really resonate and connect with the right audiences, so they could stop focusing so much on competition; and really focus on creativity and collaboration, and magnetizing the right people by speaking truthfully and honestly about themselves, who they served, what they do, and their secret sauce, and how that all makes it happen, so ...

Yeah, so did that for a bunch of years, and then Marketing With A Heart kind of morphed into Influence With A Heart, which is what that is today. I launched that just a few months ago, and it's been a rocket ship since I changed that. Influence With A Heart was what, I realized, made so much more sense for who I am and what I want to do in the world. Right after that happened, I got this 2-day training at Stanford. I wrote my second book, and I actually just got asked by Liberty Mutual Insurance Company to create content for a customer ... Like a front-line customer service program that would basically help the employees be more mindful, use more empathy, and they want to roll that out to 15,000 people, so ... Really, really excited about that possibility. I literally heard that, about that 2 days ago.

Robert Plank: Awesome. I mean, lots of cool things happening. As far as what it is that you do, I mean, you have the book, you have this writing ... I mean, what is your business exactly that you have? Coaching clients, do you have products, like what are the pieces to it?

Ben Gioia: Yeah. Yeah. I do have coaching clients, and I'm doing speaking gigs and then a couple of consulting gigs as well. The essence of what I do is really help people articulate their purpose much more excitingly and effectively than they ever have before, both in terms of what they're displaying to the world and in terms of themselves. Because when people get really, really clear on their purpose and are able to articulate it and get behind it, and get behind themselves, that it just, it changes the whole game. Articulating that purpose on a much higher level and then weaving that energy and even the direct articulation into their messaging, into how they're delivering their products, into how they're presenting themselves. When you're operating from a place of purpose, people really resonate with that. That comes through your face-to-face energy. It comes through your writing. It comes through you on video, through how you're presenting on video, so help get really super articulate with their message and then really also articulate their secret sauce, right?

We all have amazing history, amazing experience. Sure, not all of us died 4, all died 4 times in India, but that's not even the point, right? It's our story that ... It's the stories that we choose that we know are going to connect with other people, and that our great expressions are for. I help people also connect to that story, bring that out through their writing, through their communication, and kind of getting clear on that purpose and getting clear on that story. That's the articulation to the secret sauce. When you can get that together, your positioning as a thought leader just becomes so much more powerful, because you're not just an expert, but you're this unique expert with this unique offering, with this unique story or set of stories, and that's the stuff that really, really makes you, can make you resonate with the right audience and the right kind of people.

Robert Plank: Along those lines, could you share with us a little bit of maybe like a case study or something where you had one of these coaching clients, or maybe they had some good things to say, maybe they were onto something, and then you kind of ran them through your system and you were able to reposition them and articulate them better and share their secret sauce? Do you mind sharing a little bit of like a before-and-after with someone that you've gone through?

Ben Gioia: Yeah, I would be delighted to do that. Yeah, I have a couple of quick examples. One is, excuse me, have been working with a high-end boutique technology company here in the area that does customized apps, web apps, and websites also, but their apps are probably functioning things for hospitals, serving people with AIDS, all sorts of deep impact. What the CEO of this company really wanted to do was to do many more projects that were exciting to him, not only exciting, but really connected to his sense of purpose. We dug and dug and talked about stuff, and we realized something very, very simple and yet profound, that this person, what his secret sauce is that he speaks the language of tech and non-tech, so he can speak just as easily to a non-technical person as he's getting a contract together, or he can talk to programmers down in the trenches and really get the things done. While it sounds like such a simple articulation, so straightforward, it has really shifted both his energy around his business, and the people he's starting to attract.

Then another quick example is a health coach that I work with also here in the Bay Area. She does some, they have straightforward nutrition and health and mindfulness kind of things, and she also does a little bit more of what some people might consider some woo-woo healing techniques. I mean, she's legit, don't get me wrong, but a lot of people don't, are still learning about alternative non-Western ways to do stuff.

Robert Plank: Oh, yeah.

Ben Gioia: It took her years to figure out ... Thank you. It took her years to figure out how to express that. When we started working together, she still wasn't there, and what we realized was that she helps stressed out professionals and urbanites in the Bay Area in Silicon Valley be happier, healthier, and more aligned with their purpose. That was a huge, huge thing, because it wasn't just, "Oh, I'm a health coach," but it was, really gave her the ability to do the thing that she loves, that she's excellent at, and position that around the people that she wants to attract most.

Robert Plank: Along those lines, is there a little bit of a method to the madness? Like when you look at these businesses to help, do you eyeball it, or do you list out hundreds of things, or do you ask any deep probing questions? What goes to your head? What's the process between going from, you hear about their business, into what they should be doing instead?

Ben Gioia: Absolutely, absolutely, yeah. I will check out their website, of course, and kind of do, I think, what many marketers would do when they were looking at somebody's content. Just basically go, "Okay, are they talking to one particular audience, or are they are connecting with the pains and emotions and fears and dreams and desires and all that stuff?" I look at that and get a sense of what it is, and then what I do is, I give them a questionnaire. I have a customized questionnaire that I use, and I ask them kind of like, "What's your purpose? What's your secret sauce?" I ask them in a more kind of one-to-one way to answer all of those questions, and those questions are geared toward the information that they should ostensibly be sharing through their marketing, through their communications, etc. What I often find, like 9 out of 10 times, is that what people say in that questionnaire to me is radically different than what they say on their websites and what they say on LinkedIn about themselves.

I think the reason for that is because there's the whole notion of what I should say, quote-unquote should say and how I should present myself, and how I should look to the public. Then those things are fine, but this is a human-to-human interaction all the time, even when we're on the web, right? The stuff that needs to come through is the human stuff, and my questionnaire helps people really, really get to that human stuff. After they do that and I review that, the questionnaire, I get back on the phone and I say, "Hey, your website says this, but you say this, and this sounds true, and you sound excited over here, so why don't we look at bringing more of you, your story, your amazing background, your secret sauce, into the mix, and really put you, or at least put your energy right out front?"

Robert Plank: Do you think there's a reason why the public-facing bio, I guess, and the public-facing stuff doesn't match up with the questionnaire? Is it a matter of people being too careful and afraid to look stupid, or was there more time to kind of think through their message between when they first put up the webpage versus when they came to you? What do you think is the reason for that kind of disconnect there?

Ben Gioia: Yeah, thank you. That's a great question, and I think it's a few things, different people, but the things that I see most often is because somebody put up a website a long time ago, didn't update it as their thinking and perspective changed. For some people, it's that putting themselves, putting their face out in the world, that there's still some hesitation around putting themselves out there, bringing their best and most badass self, whatever that looks like to them, out front. Because there's so much messaging, I think, that so many of us were raised with, around, "Be quiet. Don't make too much noise. Behave. Do things like everybody else is doing," or even the worst kind of messaging of like, "Oh, you won't be able to do that because you don't have the looks, the skills, the grades," all of that kind of stuff. I think there's so much embedded learning probably from when we were about 3, 3 to 5, that gets stuck in there. Then the other part of it, too, I think, is people spend so much time looking at what other people are doing, which is important, of course.

You want to see who else is in your market and outside of your market to have a comparison, but at the end of the day, you have to be yourself and you have to really put yourself and your best foot forward. I think the last part of it, and this comes up with some people, is that they're not super clear on their purpose, on their core purpose, and then when they're bringing that, or attempting to bring that out through their business and what they're offering, then messaging is a little behind because they're not totally aligned internally.

Robert Plank: I mean, that makes a lot of sense. What I'm hearing a lot of what you mention is, when you're looking at anyone's business, it sounds almost like the things you're looking for are like the emotional hot buttons, and a lot of people are missing the emotion in their websites, it sounds like.

Ben Gioia: Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, that's true. They're not speaking to the experience of their ideal client or their audience. Right? I mean, it's so funny, because in a lot of ways it's like marketing and communications 101. Communicate to people in and around the things that they care deeply about, and show them that you have something for them in that context, a solution, a next step, whatever the case may be, and a lot of people end up talking about themselves, like, "I can do this. My product does this," but it's not customer, client or prospect-focused.

Robert Plank: It's not focused on, "What's in it for me?" Right?

Ben Gioia: Exactly. Exactly. Thank you, yeah.

Robert Plank: Would you say that if you were to look at, or think back about, the different clients and people you've worked with, is there a huge number 1 mistake, and would you say like maybe, is that the mistake that people are talking about themselves and not their clients, or is there an even bigger mistake, even bigger common thread you're seeing with all these people that you help out?

Ben Gioia: Yeah, yeah. Great question. I think a huge, huge one is talking too much about themselves, and another one, huge one, is not talking enough about themselves. The reason why I say that is because one of big things I teach is this idea of story, storytelling. I mean, storytelling is the oldest ... It's as old as human history. Before we had any kind of written communication, before people were drawing on walls and caves, they were telling each other stories. It was oral tradition, and that was the way to cultivate all that stuff around trust and connection to community, connection to tribe, and to safety, right? To have that circle be safe, and a lot of people today, they don't go enough into their story, right? They might talk a little bit about it, "I was CEO of such-and-such a company," but they don't actually say, okay, what did they do there? Not just the actions did they take, but what results did they bring, who did they bring it for, how did that create a transformation for the organization for an entire population of people? Whatever the case may be, right?

There's this funny balance of, yeah, absolutely you have to talk about your customer, their experience, etc., and, says me, and this is, I've proven this with a whole bunch of clients now, you have to talk about yourself, tell your story, and ask people to tell you stories. Right? Like you want to create empathy, and empathy that's going in both directions. Right? You want to see the world through this other person's eyes, and you want to give this other person the opportunity to see the world through your eyes.

Robert Plank: I mean, that sounds like some pretty interesting stuff there.

Ben Gioia: Yeah.

Robert Plank: I mean, with all this ... I mean, all these little things I think about here and there is, there ... I don't know, is there something kind of interesting you've been working on lately? I don't mean necessarily in terms of like, I know like you mentioned that, you had your new opportunities, like published stuff to different audiences, but just as far as like some kind of marketing technique or tool or just something like that. What's just the latest kind of cutting-edge thing you've been playing around with?

Ben Gioia: That's a great question. Yeah, gosh, it's ... One really interesting thing, and this is circumstantial, is getting ready to do a talk and actually a training. This training is going to be with an international audience, most of whom don't speak English, so I'm actually doing it with a translator. This is a really, really interesting exercise for me, because it's, how do I get super ultra crystal clear in everything that I'm saying, and chunk it down into really, really discreet packages of ideas, so I can say something, say a few sentences, pause, and allow the translator to understand what I say, translate it in her head, and then say it out to the audience in a way that they understand. Right? I'm looking at my language being really, really spare with the things that I'm saying, taking out colloquialisms, taking out jokes, all of those kinds of things. It's an interesting exercise in this really crystal clear communication, and it's also a really interesting exercise in being a presenter in this situation.

How do I maintain that energy, that high level of engaged energy in myself, when I have to pause and wait for the person to translate? Right? I have to be like, "Ya-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta," and then wait and hold that energy in myself, so the next thing I say is, "Ya-ta-ta-ta-ta."

Robert Plank: Interesting.

Ben Gioia: Yeah.

Robert Plank: I mean, yeah, it seems like kind of like a new adventure to kind of push you outside your comfort zone, because like you said, you need to kind of strip a lot away and use simple language, but also seem smart and have something good to say, but then the rhythm and the pacing's going to be weird, but then maybe you can use that to your advantage to kind of let things land, or pause to think, I guess.

Ben Gioia: Yeah, and thank you for saying that. It's interesting, too, because the audience is a whole bunch of super, super successful business people, six-figure kind of earners. This is not an audience of beginners. These are people who have been doing their thing for a whole bunch of years now, so there's that added dimension, for me, of, "Wow, I have to make this potent and insightful," and all of that stuff, and do all the things that I just mentioned before about keeping it super clear and spare.

Robert Plank: Right. I mean, yeah, sounds like a lot of stuff to kind of keep straight in your head, but once you figure it out, sounds like a lot of fun.

Ben Gioia: Yeah. I think so. I'm really, really, really looking forward to it.

Robert Plank: Well, cool. If anyone wants to know about you, Ben, no matter what language they speak, what country they're in, if they're newbies, they're advanced, where should they go to find out about you and your stuff that you sell, and your books, and everything like that?

Ben Gioia: Thank you, thank you. Yeah, so my website is influencewithaheart.com. Basically all the stuff is there, and you can also find my books on Amazon. Again, the beauty of Amazon is that it's also worldwide. I have 2 books now, Influence With A Heart, which is the new one, and the first one, which was the bestseller Marketing With A Heart, as well. I'd be delighted for anybody who's listening to this podcast to come check out my stuff. I think you'll get a whole lot out of it, and it'll really serve you and your business in a great way.

Robert Plank: Awesome. I think so too. That's Ben Gioia, influencewithaheart.com. Thanks for stopping by the show.

Ben Gioia: Thank you so much, Robert, and appreciate all the things you do. Like I said, the audience doesn't know this, but you and I met several years ago, and I really learned a ton of things from you back then, and was really inspired by the way you do your things, so thank you so much. It's nice to come full circle and be on your show.

Matt Powell: Hey I'm glad to be on. I appreciate it Robert.

Robert Plank: Heck yeah. I understand that you have a lot of things to say and you have a lot of hobbies and you have this martial arts stuff, so can you kind of tell me a little bit about who is Matt Powell and what it is that you do, and what makes you unique and special?

Matt Powell: I know what makes me unique and special. My mom might say something different. About 20 years ago, I started learning this strange martial art no one had ever heard of, and that lead me to spending time in Russia training at their schools in martial arts in the early 2000's, and then coming back over here and teaching over here. Over time, we built our own organization called Pramek. That's P-R-A-M-E-K. We have a website, pramek.com. That started off as just guys in a garage, and I built it online and then in real world into an international organization with teachers all over the world.

The whole time I was doing that, I was also working my way up the corporate ladder into the corporate board room. I was starting online businesses. I was doing everything that I could possibly do. I'm not one of those people that sit still for very long. Over time I've published five books that are on Amazon, hundreds of videos on youtube, two dozen instructional videos for sale in the martial art world, as well as teaching seminars around the world. I learned a lot from that side of teaching, and teaching all those people in the system that we developed and the way that it developed. There was also the lessons learned of being in the corporate world and being an entrepreneur.

I decided about a year ago that I would start to take these and combine them into more of a, kind of do what Pramek did for martial art, pastless and Undo what do for the personal growth sector. I started to focus on taking the concept that worked so well for teaching people, everybody from the special forces to soccer mom, and starting applying it to personal growth. It's a very methodically laid out system based on what we saw work teaching people under the most stressful situations that they could apply towards personal growth, personal success, and the happiness side of the world, you might say.

Robert Plank: That's kind of interesting. Can you kind of tell me about this whole undo book and just basically, what are the steps, what's it about, how it all relates to the martial arts, the success and all that kind of stuff?

Matt Powell: We developed this learning system in martial art that we called the CLM. I developed it with a couple of PhDs that had PhDs in adult learning and psychology, because we found that the way that we were taught didn't translate to the way that people learned very well if they were learning mental and physical skills. We developed over time this learning system that now all these other schools and systems have adopted as their learning system. We found that people were learning skills faster than they were learning in other skills by using this.

I said okay. Let me look at ... It's all about the human brain. It's all about how the brain works, it's all about how the brain processes memories, how the brain forms habits. Let me take that over to the success side because whether you're learning to punch or whether you're learning to operate as an entrepreneur, you're going to develop physical and psychological habits to go along with success or failure. Life is a little like quicksand day to day. You can't unstick yourself until you stop moving and take stock of the situation around you. What Undo the book is is that Undo is ... We're undoing the past. It means that we're recognizing the why we fail, not what we fail at. A lot of people confuse that. They focus on the what they're failing at. People set goals, but then they don't consider if they're setting the right goals. They end up with a decent process to achieve goals, but they've set the wrong goals that weren't attainable. They kind of circle for a while.

What we do with Undo, is we try to break these cycles. We break that cycle. Then you're set up to where you can start setting goals because you've taken care of the underlying reasons why you're failing. Now you're able to start setting goals. What we do is then we have a workbook that goes along with Undo. It's a 40 page workbook that take you step-by-step through the whole process. It starts you at the goals that you had last year, the failures that you had last year, looking at those underlying reasons to why and not what, then setting up a process to fix that day to day so that you break that cycle of failure that's been going on, but there's the habits that you've picked up over time.

Then we do this long process of setting attainable goals all the way from the very beginning of free-writing out your goals to how you set your life on auto pilot using the book, to basically make goal achievement a habit. It's really about the book is kind of a, I don't want to say colloquial, but it's a very ... My editors hated it because I wrote it like I was speaking to somebody. I didn't write it like I was writing a book. Then the workbook follows along with it. Page by page, as you go through the book, you're going through the workbook at the same time. It's a very interesting process to kind of develop habits for people, to get out there and achieve the goals that they want to achiever.

Robert Plank: I love that. I think that ... Yeah, I know that over the years if I'm ever trying to get out of a funk or I'm always trying to switch to some kind of time management system, it's always like if the underlying foundation or whatever you want to call it, if that's still messed up, it doesn't even matter what I'm building towards, or what kind of system I'm using. It's like if the insides aren't right, then what's the point of anything. I like that. I like the Tim Ferris or the Matt Furey kind of stuff where it's like ... I don't know a thing about martial arts or any of that stuff, but I like the idea of breaking yourself down and then building yourself back up and having the discipline and the habits and the repetitions and all that kind of stuff. I like how, kind of like you mentioned there, that people kind of learn the stuff, but they also go through the work books so that way it kind of avoids the foo foo, hippy sort of feel good stuff. Is that right?

Matt Powell: Yeah. What we found ... Matt Furey. God I haven't talked to Matt in probably a decade. I used to talk to him back in the day, in martial art, I guess back in the mid 2000's. Tim has done some great systematic methodology to kind of exposing people methods so that other people can pick them up. I think ... I differ a little bit when you ask what makes you different is that you can have the best process in the world, but if you don't have the right goals, you're going to consistently get into a funk. You're going to go after 2016 with a 2015 mindset. A lot of times people have all these processes. That's why I did Undo because I saw that was happening in the martial art world. I traveled and taught thousands. Personally laying hands on what they were doing. I was seeing that these people, they've got this process but what they're trying to do, they never really thought through what they were trying to do at the end.

Steven Covey says, "I'm going to begin with the end in mind." Look at the goal and work backwards. Page by page and when you look at the reviews on Amazon, everybody says the same thing, like "Wow. This book actually works."

Robert Plank: That's pretty cool. I'm kind of looking through the reviews and things here. Could you kind of tell us about how this all happened for you? Was there a point where ... Was there a period of time before you discovered all this martial arts stuff, was there a period of time when there were specific things that were really wrong in your life and then kind of stumbling on this made you the person you are now? Does that kind of thing happen?

Matt Powell: There's nothing ever really ... I know a lot of times people have some epic moment or they have some type of challenge in their life or obstacles that they can't over come, and then they overcome it and it becomes inspirational. I love those stories ... A friend of mine that is a martial art instructor. He was born with half a heart, and he had steel rods in his back, and he's out there doing incredible karate stuff. I never had anything like that. I learned through kind of trial by fire between the martial arts and doing executive protection and law enforcement, and being under extremely stressful situations and then teaching other people extremely stressful situations.

What made me switch from martial art and move in this direction was that I did have a situation that really ... It's still tough to talk about a little bit. I had a childhood friend of mine, and over the years he and my brother stayed in contact, but I hadn't stayed in contact with him. My brother called me up one day and he said, "You know, he's got cancer, and he loves what you're doing with martial art, you really ought to give him a call." I didn't realize that he had stage four rare cancer and he was dying. We spent hours upon hours on the phone just talking. He was a business owner, he was an entrepreneur. We would talk at night and he would pass out for 30 minutes because he was under so many medications. He would come back to and we would talk and talk.

He passed away one day, and a few years later I was driving to Florida to the beach house and I've done it successful at what I've done. I just kind of said, "Man, I'm tired of teaching people how to punch somebody in the nose. There's got to be more." I remember those conversations with Barry because he would say, "You know Matt, I feel like you could do more. If you just took these processes and taught somebody about business, or maybe you talk to a new college graduate and give them some processes, that way they're not learning this 10-15 years into their career, when they could have done better at the beginning." I got down to Florida and I just started ... I pulled out all the notes and pulled out the Glenfiddich and really had a heart to heart with myself.

One of the things that one of my teachers told me one time was, "Only you look in your mirror." I looked in the mirror and I thought, "You know, I can do more than this, and I can help more than just teaching people this over here." A bunch of books were started. That was a couple of years ago. Out of the books that were started, Undo was a bit of a composite of the different books that I'd started at the time. I never really had anything that was a big challenge or obstacle.

I put myself into a lot of challenging situation through the decisions I made in my career. But the biggest obstacle that I really ever overcame was to take what was 20 years of an identity as a world class martial art instructor and developer and teacher, and to have to make that internal switch to saying, "I'm going to do something different. I'm going to do 2016 or 2015 with that year's mindset. Not try to do it with 2010's mindset."

Robert Plank: It's kind of interesting. Could you kind of tell us about, aside from the book, what is it that you do now? Do you have products? Do you have a blog? Do you have a podcast? What are you up to these days?

Matt Powell: A couple of different things. I do security consulting as a day job. I've always kept a day job. I remember my primary teacher a long time ago said, "Always have a day job, because if you have to do your hobby to food on the table, you'll end up hating it, and you'll sell it out and you'll water it down." I've always kept a day job, and I've worked my way up the corporate ladder. Day job I do that. It allows me to go wherever I want. Live how I want. I really built my life around what my goals were, which was to have a very free life to be able to explore and do things. Then you have pastless and you have Pramek.

Pastless.net is the home of Undo. Yeah, you can go to pastless.net. We have the free eBook over at pastless. It's called Open In Case of Life. It's a concept that I've learned over 20 years traveling the world learning from different teachers. It's eight things that people said that really stuck with me. I put them in format that you can just, here it is. In case of you feel like you're not communicating correctly, in case you feel labeled, in case you're feeling anxious about the future, and here's the wisdom behind it. Then you can also pick up Undo over at amazon.com if you just type in Undo, I think it's like the second thing that pops up on amazon.

Then over at Pramek, that's a whole different animal because Pramek is ... It has four books that I've written about it. It has, I think we're at 201 videos on youtube, two dozen for sale instructional, and that's very martial arts, fitness, movement. Yeah, there's movement videos. How to increase your movement, get your range of motion. There's combat intimate videos. There's videos on how to develop habits. We've done a lot of different things with Pramek. That's pramek.com. P-R-A-M-E-K.COM.

Robert Plank: Cool. Do you ... I mean in all your writings and your adventures and talking ... What do you think is the place where everyone is going wrong? Is it that people aren't awake or they're not disciplined or they're not self aware or they're backsliding? What do you see where everyone is going wrong it seems?

Matt Powell: I think, if you're talking about people in general, I think everyone focuses on the what and not the why. That is one of the most ... There's two things that most people do wrong when it comes to achieving success for their life.

The first thing is you have to stop being right. If every time you interact with somebody, you're making assumptions on the way that the interactions going to go, then you're living in the past. Everything that's ever happened in the past is the way that your brain is designed. It's catching up. You want to be right. You want to show them that you're right. You don't really find out what they offer for your future, what they can bring you, how you can work with them ... That if you just stop being right and you start being in the moment and really taking a look at it and thinking about it and changing your anchor point for your thoughts to your future instead of right now or the past, you're going to start viewing people and situations and obstacles or whatever it is as moving you towards somewhere in the future. Then you're going to see how you can use that interaction to get there.

I think the second thing is is that we live in a transactional world. Physically, mentally, spiritually, it's right now, right now, right now. People focus on the what. The what is the thing that you can go and tell your spouse about. The what is the thing that you can go the bar and complain about. But if you focus on the what, then you're just kind of in this linear timeline of a bunch of whats that you failed at. If people take a book like Undo and go through the process to find their failure theme, they're going to find that most of their whats, they never even ... They are forced through a way that they develop their habits over time to consistently fail. You have to start looking at that why. Why did that happen? Why did that happen? Then you can really start to stop the whats from happening.

If you stop being right and look at the interactions that you have as how can they get me somewhere instead of how can I make sure that I'm the person that's coming ahead in this. Also to look at the why you failed through, like I said, a book like Undo instead of what you fail at, you're about 90% of the way to getting more successful than you've ever been.

Robert Plank: I love that message. Not only to stop being right, but to kind of live in the moment. I think that maybe 5-6 years ago someone quoted Dr. Phil to me. There was a situation where I was just kind of, I needed to change my thinking. He quoted Dr. Phil and said, "Would you rather be right or be happy?" Kind of along those lines, with these days with all the ... It's so easy to get distracted. The latest Facebook pop up, the phones blowing up, and even ...

Maybe 14 years ago or so, when I transitioned from high school to college, when there was the orientation day, they kind of had to ... There was something that they said that was along the lines of, "Well, when you're in high school mode, when you're in the high school mindset, you're only really paying attention about 30-30%." And he's like, "Well when you're trying to actually be an adult, being a grown up, you kind of have to be 80% there or higher." That was just kind of like all the things you've been talking about today. All these really simple concepts, but it's so simple and yet it seems like a lot of people are missing the boat and kind of need to readjust, right?

Matt Powell: I think that there's so many options out there, there's so many things that people ... I'm going to try Tony Robbins stuff for a little while. Oh, I didn't get to where I wanted to go, I'm going to go visit Zigler. Oh, didn't get there. I'm going to go to Tim Ferris. Oh, I didn't get it there ... That people are just constantly moving. I tell people if you really want to live in the now, and find out how far off you are from being in the now, take 30 minutes a day, get a book, and read it aloud.

What you'll find is that your brain is so all over the place, that you can barely read aloud. If you go to a zoo, if you go to a museum, you'll find that you don't even read the placards. You kind of skip around real quick and then you look back up because we just don't have attention spans anymore. We're taking in too much information and if you start to ...

That's what we found in martial art is that if I want to something, if I have one thing and that's the only thing that I'm going to try to do, and you have ten things that you're going to try to do, I'm going to win 90% of the time because I'm always focused on one thing. A lot of it is just kind of bringing it back to these useful skills of picking up a book and reading aloud. If you're in your office at work, and you need to read a report, close the door and read it aloud. Train your mind.

Meditation is great. I've been doing meditation for 20 years. I've done it all over the world. You can't sit in the office and meditate all day. What you can do is is you can focus the brain on things like reading aloud. You'll find that you start to, okay there's a whole lot going on in my mind right now. Let me just focus on this. Your communication skills get better. Your memory retention gets better. Your voice annunciation gets better. All by reading aloud. These are the types of little things that we found in the martial arts that we bring over. Then we teach people how to work under stress and duress, but reading aloud is one of them.

If I take somebody and I make you go out and I make you run and sprint and do everything as hard as you can, and I bring you back and your heart rate is really elevated and I make you read aloud, you'll be amazed how much that duplicates what happens in public speaking. You can train yourself for public speaking by reading aloud when you exercise. It's all about just focusing the mind, focusing on the why, not the what. Focusing on being in the moment, not trying to get ahead and assume the conversation. It's just that little bit of focus that ... Just something as simple ... Getting Undo and reading the whole book aloud and you'll find after a little bit of time, you've changed in a lot of ways.

Robert Plank: That's pretty cool. I love that messaged I think that I'm going to be doing that today. I'll read aloud. I hereby promise to you, Matt Powell, that at some point today I will read aloud 30 minutes to find out what all the fuss is about and to regain my focus and kind of reset and stuff.

Great. I like all the things that you have to share today. Not only just the ideas, but also just kind of these little exercises, these little step by step things. I think I mentioned earlier that there's a lot of self help mindset stuff out there that's just ideas, right? Just clutter, just more stuff to kind of gum up the gears, right? Kind of like you were saying a few minutes ago that a lot of people just kind of dabble and sample and just kind of get a little taste of all these little things, but they're kind of become a jack of all trades, master of none.

I really like all the stuff that you had to share with us today, and I think that as you were talking, I was kind of thinking to myself, "Well, all these ideas but how do I get more focused," so perfect. Little 30 minutes of reading something aloud. Could you tell us one more time to make sure that everyone knows where to find out about you, where to find your book, where to find your website, just one more time for us.

Matt Powell: You can go over to pastless.net. There you can get a free book, you can also get the link over to amazon. If you're on amazon once a day like everybody else is and you're a prime member, then just type in Undo. You'll find the book. If you're amazon prime, you can pick it up for $2.99. If you're not amazon prime, you can get the paperback or the ecopy. Both of them are under $10.

You can always hit me up if you're on Facebook. It's Facebook.com/iammattpowell. Instagram is the same thing. On Instagram it's iammattpowell. And twitter, iammattpowell. All of them are the same. Just remember iammattpowell for social media. I do my best to communicate through email or whatever. If people have questions about the book, if people have general questions about anything they want to contact me about, you can go to pastless.net or you can go to social media, and I'm definitely there to help out anybody that needs a little bit of a boost.

Robert Plank: It seems like we all need that. Maybe not everyday, but we all get to the point where we need a little bit of help. Cool. Thanks, Matt, for stopping by the show and sharing what it is you have to share. I appreciate you and I appreciate everything that you have to say. Thanks again for stopping by.

Matt Powell: Hey I really appreciate it. Thank you so much. You've got a great show.

Jeff Beale: Things are going well. Thanks for having me on the show, Robert.

Robert Plank: I'm really glad that you're on. The stuff that you do, you help people gain authority status and do authority marketing, so what does that entail exactly?

Jeff Beale: Marketing basically in a layman's term is to become the go-to person in any product or service. Authority marketing is when somebody's hungry right on the street, they think of McDonald's, because, hey, McDonald's is an authority. When you're thirsty, you think of Coca-Cola, because Coca-Cola is an authority. Things of that nature. Becoming that authority no matter which industry it's in helps you leverage your credibility. It also helps you generate business based off the fact that whenever people think of what you offer or that industry, they think of you.

It's just the process of building that credibility, building that brand awareness so whenever they think of that, you're the first person that comes to mind, and usually the first person that comes to mind will be the one that gets the business unless you do something to mess it up.

Robert Plank: How does someone become an authority? Is it a matter of having a book or a blog, traffic, or social media or some combination? What does someone have to do exactly?

Jeff Beale: It's a combination. Actually, the first thing you would need to do is to first identify your audience. Know exactly who your audience is and then their needs, and then the last piece would be to find out where do they go to get information. Identify, let's say your audience. A lot of people like to identify their audience such as, well, they are this age, this gender, this ethnic group. I'm talking more of the psychological. For instance, let's go back to McDonald's. McDonald's serve people that are hungry. Coca-Cola serve people that are thirsty. It can get as basic as that, but you need to really know your audience, then understand their needs.

What is it that pains them, keeps them up at night, makes them pull the action trigger to do business with somebody? Once you understand that, then you can find out where do they go most often to find out who they want to do business with? What's the authority? Is it a magazine? A lot of people used to do the old traditional marketing, push marketing, on television and radio or a magazine. Nowadays, like you said, there's social media, there's bloggers, there's sites like Yo. There's tons of places that they go to to find out who is the best choice for what they are looking for.

Once you find that out, then it's all about quality content. It's all about putting out the best quality information for them to make an informed decision. That can be several ways. That can be social media posts. That can be blog posts. That can be what we're doing right now, podcasting is a great way of doing that. It can be videos. It can be many different things that you could put out as far as content, the type of content, but you find out what resonates the most around your audience and you deliver your actual content in a way that they easily digest it, they can get the information, they can make an informed decision, and they feel comfortable doing so.

Robert Plank: That all sounds like a pretty good plan, and that makes a lot of sense to me. How does this relate to what it is that you do? Is this a service you provide to others?

Jeff Beale: I do. Actually, I provide marketing strategies. With marketing strategies, my goal is to make you the authority in the industry, to make the brand awareness resonate amongst your audience. What I do is I look at putting together a strategy that makes sense for your company and finding out your audience, the need, your benefits, what's a good message for the audience and how to deliver it, what mediums and channels and platforms make the most sense, and then of course piecing it all together, putting it into a strategy that gets you in front of them in a way that they desire to see you, and help you deliver a message that they actually want to hear.

A lot of times, that's something that the business or business owners have difficulty doing because they're so close to the business that they assume a lot. First thing I tell companies, I tell the executives, "You are not your customer," because in most cases, you're not. In most cases, you don't buy what you're selling, and you're so informed because you started the company or you've been working in the business for so long, you have little things that you assume that you don't even think is a challenge or think is a point of decision that really is.

You might, for instance, for you doing podcasts, one thing that you may think of is, well, "Everybody uses Skype to record," but that's not true. To someone else, that might be something very, very difficult to understand. "How do I record? I understand how to sign up for Skype, but how do I actually record?" To you, it's easy. If you were selling, let's say, a course on how to podcast, you would just assume they knew, and you wouldn't even put that in your message, which that might be one of the biggest selling points of, "Let me show you a way that you can record with Skype in 5 minutes." That might be something that will make somebody pull the trigger, because they're like, "Oh wow. I can just 1, 2, 3, and do it. Great. I'm on," versus, "Let me show you the best way and I've been doing this for a hundred years."

"Yeah, okay, but I haven't, and I don't know what I'm doing. I just want it easy," and easy is the selling point, not the technology. It's just the ease of use.

Robert Plank: Right, and it seems like if you position it as ease of use, that's more relatable as opposed to if you just show, "Well, look how cool I am," then you're just showing off. You mention that little example about the podcasting and Skype. Even with that kind of thinking, some people don't even know how to install Skype or where to install Skype, even how to install the iTunes program to check on their podcast. They don't know what hardware they use to record. Yeah, that's huge and I totally agree with all that.

Kind of along those lines, I know you mentioned a lot of the things that you do when you're looking to improve someone else's business, do you have like a story or an example of a case study where you had a client and there were some things in their business that could use improving, and you kind of put them through your process, you went through and you found the best market, you figured out their customer, and you figured out what kind of things they should be doing?

Jeff Beale: Sure. One example that I found was a client that sold jewelry. They thought their audience was one thing, and come to find out, the audience was totally different based off of buyers, based off of research on who interacted with them. The interesting thing is, offline their audience was one thing, on-line their audience was totally different. They were taking the offline approach to an on-line audience, and that doesn't work.

Offline, you don't have things such as comments, likes, shares. Offline, you see it on TV, radio, and you are at the mercy of the television or radio. On-line, you can make choices and you can change and you can share your opinion, and that makes a big difference. After looking at it and finding out that you might even want to look at a different way of approaching it, more of an interactive approach was developed to help them.

Same thing with a client that I worked with that did media. One of the things that they did were, they were looking for how can they have more people engage with their shows? The key factor was they were looking at the old way to where ... Remember when you used to come in in prime time and you had to wait for prime time to watch a show?

Robert Plank: Oh yeah.

Jeff Beale: You would actually schedule your day around it. Well, that's not the audience of today. Today everybody's on demand, and most people aren't watching it on television, they're watching it on a mobile device, and they may cast it to a larger monitor, which is the television, but they're looking on the go when they want to watch the shows. Nowadays, shows are even coming out before they're supposed to air. Like a show may be airing tonight, but if you subscribe to a cable provider, you can watch it midnight the night of, or you can watch it even a day before, and Hulu and Netflix have shown you how people love the fact that they can watch any show whenever they feel like watching it.

Looking at that and changing the approach on how to deliver these shows helped them change from a linear to a digital age, and it really helped improve them all the way across the board: viewership, search engine optimization, to search engine ranking, lowered their spend, and it helped because now that you know your audience, you're not fighting to find as many new audience as you are retaining old audience and having them evangelize the experience. Then that gets you new audience.

That's one of the challenges I found with many companies. They're so focused on finding new audience that they neglect the current audience, and then they spend additional money in reputation management, damage control. You have a cellphone, I'm assuming.

Robert Plank: Yes.

Jeff Beale: Like everyone. I use it as a cellphone theory. How many times have you seen commercials or heard of people that have plans that aren't available to you as a loyal customer? Then you call them and they say, "Well, that doesn't apply to you because you're already in a contract," or "You're already a customer." You're like, "Well, I'm a loyal customer. Why can't I get the discount that the new people get?" Well, that's the challenge is, they're always fighting to find new, new, new, and not trying to retain who they have. The interesting part about retaining current customers, first of all, they're easier, because they're already experiencing your brand and your product or service.

Second of all, they are, if happy, ready to tell somebody, if they're happy. They're ready to tell somebody if they're not, but you can leverage that to not only have them share the message but also get feedback from them to help improve what you have already. Improve either the marketing message, either the product or service, the customer service.

You can improve things because they're already dealing with you, and if you just look at your last, let's say, 5, 6 customers if you're smaller, or if you look at your last 2, 3 months of customers and you look at what their actions are, what their engagements are, what are their questions? What are the things they complain about? What are the things that they share? What are the things that they like? Then compile that information and make some marketing decisions based off of that, it's easier to find like-minded people than to just spend a lot of money on campaigns, and you're spending all this money on campaigns, throwing it out, seeing what sticks.

Once it sticks, if you're still not doing this type of backend research, you still don't know what to do next because you're still just throwing out stuff because you're not figuring out what worked, how can we now duplicate what worked and keep that going on and on?

That's one of the things that I always say. When you're doing authority marketing, it's all about being the 4 C's. It's all about having good content, making good contacts, have good communication, and then be consistent. That's the 4 C's. If you do those 4 C's, you will win when it comes to authority marketing.

Robert Plank: That's really cool. I think that's one of those things where it took me a while to kind of get it, especially seeing what a lot of these companies were doing, especially like the ones on social media where ... At first I thought, "Okay, well it's like this company, and they're just posting stuff on social media every now and then," but then when I've seen ... There's like a cupcake ... I don't know what you'd call it, the kind of person that bakes and sells cupcakes, there's this cupcake lady in our town, and she'll post pictures, and she'll do contests, and even the local news, they'll put full-on clips of their show just right there on Facebook, and I'm thinking, kind of like a little bit as you were describing what you were describing, I'm thinking, "Man, why would they put like a clip of their show right there on Facebook when ... ?"

I'm thinking, "Well, wouldn't them posting a clip take away from me watching their show?" And kind of the way you were explaining it, it's like, "Well, hardly anyone's watching on the TV live anyway, so it's kind of like a trade-off. They're giving away some of their best stuff in exchange, not only are they hoping it'll go viral or get some shares but, as you said, now they can look at the most popular content, or they can look at all of their audience, their likes, their fan page insights, all that stuff and figure out exactly who they're talking to, when it sounds like this out-of-date model that a lot of these companies are still hanging onto was just guessing. It was just let's just put out some stuff. Maybe the ad money worked, maybe not. Now you can go back and after running your experiments, go back and see how they did. Is that right?

Jeff Beale: That's correct. Also, with them putting the show on-line, it helps them separate themselves from their competitors because, think about this. If you had 2 cupcake bakers, I guess you would call it, or 2 cupcake stores in the same area, 1 has a show and 1 doesn't, how much advantage do you have when you say, "Well, you know, they may bake cupcakes and they may be good, I don't know, but we have a show, and you can see us bake our cupcakes, and people like our show."

Now you seem as if you are really an expert. Even if you're not, even if you have quick mix or something, you just seem, because people are like, "Well, they have to be good. They have a show." That gives you an advantage. Also, within the show, you can let them get to know you a little bit, and that's the beauty nowadays with social media, with Facebook Live and You Tube Live and all these other streaming, they can get to know you now.

You know the old saying in sales: People buy from who they know, like, and trust. They get to now know you. They get to see you enough to like you, and because you're up there in a credible source, they get to trust you versus an advertisement, which is cold. I don't know the last time you fell in love with a banner ad where you're like, "That banner ad made me feel all warm inside."

Robert Plank: Never.

Jeff Beale: Exactly. Now with the personality being displayed, you can have that feeling. So you say, "I really like that person." That's how it works.

Robert Plank: What you're saying is there's hope for the rest of us. We don't have to be super polished and rehearsed. We can just be ourselves and they'll fall in love with us as us.

Jeff Beale: That's the key, being yourself. The interesting thing with on-line especially, offline is still more polished and better, but on-line is the more authentic you are, the better. People don't mind the mistakes. It should be as good of quality as you can get it, but it doesn't have to be polished, because sometimes when it's too polished, they think it's paid actors and they don't think it's real. They think, "Oh well, they paid for that. It's advertisement. Of course, they're going to say it's great because they were paid to say it's great." When it's a person and it seems authentic and it seems as if you're just everyday Joe, now it's something that's relatable.

If you noticed over the past few years, what's the biggest craze on television? Reality TV. Reality TV is because it makes you feel as if you know somebody, even though working in that industry, I can tell you it's scripted, and it's all planned and so forth, and they know what to say next, so forth and so on, but you think it's real, and it feels real even though it's not. They do that to make it more personal. That's the beauty of now on-line, you can do things and it doesn't have to be 100% professionally polished, and people will resonate.

That's why You Tube videos can go into the millions, and it's some little kid dancing. Of course, I don't know if you can be able to sell anything with it unless it's a choreography or something of that nature, but people are like, "I just like it. It was so cool," and they share it, but when's the last time they've shared a polished commercial? They don't.

Robert Plank: Never, unless it's really funny.

Jeff Beale: Unless it's really funny. Yeah. I think the only ... The one I remember, the latest one I remember that was shared that was viral was the Van Damme when he was straddling those 2 tractor trailers.

Robert Plank: I think like every now and then there's something like a Dollar Shave Club commercial or something, but very rarely.

Jeff Beale: See, but they've figured it out, though. They figured out that men ... They don't really key in on the quality of the razor, if you think about it. They figured out that the humor will get people to share it. The mass volume of numbers will get in front of enough men, and those men will look at the deal and say, "You know what? That's a good deal, because I'm already spending X amount of dollars," and it stays in your head because you think of the entertainment of the actual commercial.

Those type of things do work, but most companies don't execute it in that way. Most companies execute it in the same way that they would a television advertisement, and it doesn't go viral because people are like, "Oh, it's another commercial." That's the reason the Internet has been so successful when it comes to video, and you look at any other type of source like Sirius Radio, any type of streaming source, what is the biggest thing that they harp on? "We don't show commercials." People don't want to see commercials. That's why.

Robert Plank: That's a pretty big insight right there. I think that that's why people need you to kind of clean up the marketing efforts, right?

Jeff Beale: Yeah, and the best thing about a commercial, people love a commercial that they don't even know is a commercial. Like I said, the Dollar Shaving Club, yeah, we know it's a commercial, but they don't say how great their razors are. They don't say anything about that. They don't say anything about, "We have been in the business with titanium and platinum," they just have fun, and people like that in the entertainment. If your commercial can entertain and educate, then you can win. You just figure out how can your commercial entertain and educate?

I was telling one client about floors. Well, when a person is looking to buy new flooring, the biggest thing on their mind besides cost, and they'll be willing to pay more if you can get the other values in line. They want it to be fast with installation, they want it to be painless with dealing with your business, and they want other people to say, "Wow! You've got the best floors ever!" Of course, resale value helps, if they can improve the resale value.

Most people don't really care about the type of quality of the wood, and they don't care about this is cherry oak versus ... They don't know and they really don't care. They just want when people walk in the door saying, "That is beautiful." Now, what I told them is, a lot of things they'll have questions about, you can put into some sort of advertisement or social post in which you're explaining to them some of the myths of floors. For instance, they may say your floor is water resistant. Being water resistant doesn't mean it's waterproof. If enough water gets on it, it's still going to damage the floor, and that's not what's told when it's sold to you, but that's what it is. It's not waterproof, just water resistant.

You could spill a glass of water and don't worry about it, but if you have a water leak, you'll still have to replace that floor. Those type of things make a person feel as if you know what you're talking about, because a lot of other people aren't going to tell them that. They may also know what's the difference between hardwood and laminate. Your knowing that difference and the difference of how you lay it to make your house look larger, and you have examples to show them, now make you a very credible source when it comes to dealing with somebody with the floor.

The last thing, most people when they get floors, especially when it comes to floor damage, they go through their insurance company. What are the 5 things you need to know when you talk to your insurance company? Because most people want the best value for what they're going to claim, so they're not going to want to be cheap, but they're not going to want to have to come out-of-pocket either. That's why they have insurance. You letting them know how to deal with your insurance company, the right answers to the right questions, this type of thing makes it easier to deal with you than other flooring companies that might just come in and give an estimate and say, "All right, this is how much we charge," and they maybe try to haggle with you to lower their rates.

People will pay more if they feel there's more quality. Think about this. When's the last time you went to a Bentley dealership and argued about how much a Bentley cost? You don't. You don't even know how much a Bentley costs half the time. Yeah, because you just know that they're said to be the top-of-the-line car. If you really did research on a Bentley, you find out they only get 12 miles to the gallon, you always have to take them in for service and everything at 5,000 miles, so they're really ... I talked to a guy that sold Bentleys, and he told me it's not affording owning one as far as like purchasing, it's actually the upkeep that most people can't afford.

Most of the time, these cars come back within a year because the upkeep is so much, people buy them and they can't afford them. They have to bring them back. Knowing that, the value has been put up so high with that quality of car. If you can do that with your business, to put up the value so high that people don't even want to ask how much do you charge, you'll win every time, because they've already made the decision that if this is not extremely out of my means, I am going to do business with them, they're not going to bark about the price.

That's the whole goal of authority marketing is to become an authority so much, now I'm not saying that you escalate your price because of it, but so much that that isn't even a concern when you get to the actual closing of the business, because they've already decided they're going to purchase. It's sort of like ... Think about it. How many times have you met people that say that they don't have any money, but then they show up with something that you know costs some money, and you're like, "I thought you didn't have any money?"

Robert Plank: They have priorities.

Jeff Beale: People buy what they want. Exactly. They'll go out and buy some Jordans for $200, but they might not pay their light bill, so you're like, "I thought you were broke." No, they were broke for that. That wasn't of value.

Robert Plank: That's funny, and it sounds like all the things that you're mentioning here today, it seems like you're going after like the emotion of some kind, whatever the hot button is there, like in the case of the Bentley thing it's like, well, who cares about all these little facts and figures when how cool for you to be driving it, and drive it off the lot, and drive it home, people see it. Even like with the floor case study you said there, the number 1 reason to get a new floor is to show it off so everything thinks, "Dang! How'd you get that?" Sure there's like a few little objections or common things there, but it seems like that combination you said there about how you kind of have the wow factor, I guess, have the big raw feeling from using it, and then you kind of have these objections that you know they already have but you explain them away quickly, and that way people can tell that you know what you're doing because you already have their questions in their mind before they even ask them.

Jeff Beale: Exactly. Exactly. It's all about emotions. It's all about understanding what drives a person to make a decision. To be honest, a lot of it doesn't include price. Truly, if you can tap into what makes them work, you can understand that. For instance, people that buy security systems, they don't buy security systems for all the features. They buy to be secure. You can have it to where your mobile phone connects and this and that but it never sets off an alarm ever, people aren't going to buy your security system, because they're like, "Well, that's nice, nice features, but if somebody breaks in, it's not going to help."

You find out what the emotional triggers are. That's why you can't just base it on demographics and geographics. You just can't say "Just because you're this age, this gender, this ethnic group, this income level, you will buy what I'm selling." It's really finding out what keeps them up at night?

Volvo did a great job when they went after the soccer moms. What did Volvo hang their hat on the most? "We are the safest car you'll ever buy." That's what they hung their hat on. They would show the mom with the kids. Moms were like, "I like BMW's, but if I ever was in an accident, I'd be safer in a Volvo," so they bought Volvos. For many years, they thought Volvos were the safest cars out. You look at, let's use televisions. We all love 4K, right?

Robert Plank: Oh yeah.

Jeff Beale: The funny thing is when you ask the sales guy, which if you get an honest one who'll tell you, most of the time you'll never see 4K, because first of all you have to have the right cables, you have to have the right television station, you have to have the right cable box. You have all these things have to be in order for you to even see 4K. They can't sell you a 4K and say, "Well, you probably will see 4K once in a blue moon."

Same thing with cameras. They show you these pictures. It was funny. We was watching a commercial last night. My wife was telling me ... She has an iPhone, actually, and she was like, they were showing a commercial with all these pictures of great photos, and they said taken with the iPhone. My wife was like, "My iPhone pictures don't ever look like that." I said, "Yeah, because it's not Photoshopped." They never said it wasn't edited. They just said "taken with an iPhone."

What you're seeing is after it has been taken, put to production, post production has been done, Photoshop has been done and, yeah, now it looks beautiful, but they're not lying, but they know that most people buy these phones and they take selfies and they want to take pictures, and that's a driving force. People will buy a phone, and I'm guilty, because I just bought my last phone because of that, because I want to make sure my pictures are high quality. I want to make sure my videos are high quality, because I do videos for my marketing, so I want the clearest videos I can get from my phone.

What I found in my research of going through phones, here's the secret with that. Your cameras mostly have ... Most of them have the same megapixel rate. The key is the lighting. That's the key. You can have the highest pixel rate, but if you don't have a lot of light, you're not going to get those great pictures, so that's the secret to it, but they don't tell you that, because if that's the case, you wouldn't buy another phone, you would just go buy some professional lights.

Robert Plank: Interesting.

Jeff Beale: And they sell phones.

Robert Plank: That's pretty cool. Lots of good stuff today, and you had lots of cool stories and little lessons here and there. Where can people find out more about Mr. Jeff Beale? Where can they find out about your book, your blog, and all that cool stuff?

Jeff Beale: Sure. They can actually go to MrMarketology.com. That has everything about me, but even more important, actually the all about me funny is 1 paragraph. You can only find 1 paragraph, but what you will find are marketing strategies such as this, and I'll be talking with other experts and sharing my point of view as well, and you'll find that on the site. Also, my social, all of them: Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, not LinkedIn, Google Plus, are all Mr. Marketology, so if you go to those platforms, look up Mr. Marketology or put Mr. Marketology at the end, you'll find me.

Then you can even find me easily at JeffBeale.com. I try to make myself very accessible, so hopefully if I'm doing my job correctly, you can find me easily.

Robert Plank: Awesome. Thanks for all that stuff and, yeah, I really liked all the marketing nuggets you dropped on us today, and I think that ... The big thing other than the stuff like the 4 C's of marketing and differentiating and course correcting and stuff, I think that, especially that little Apple lesson about how ... That was pretty dang powerful for me. You want a camera that takes good pictures, and they kind of get you with this thing that's true, but also really dang cool, and even showing all these pictures taken with the iPhone, man, it kind of messes you up a little bit, doesn't it? Because you think, "Okay, I want to take good pictures for myself but, man, imagine the possibilities if I could use this same device to take all these awesome photos." Thanks for that lesson there.

Jeff Beale: Oh, you're welcome, man. If there's 1 takeaway that I would like the listeners to know is that understand your audience. Find out exactly who that is, what their needs are, and then find out how can you benefit them? If you can do that and put that into a compelling message, you won't have any problems becoming an authority in your market.

Robert Plank: Perfect. Well said. MrMarketology.com. Thanks so much for being on the show, Jeff.